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Hello friends, I thought that by presenting some questions and answers, you as new comers to this communication, might be able to get additional insight as to what the Aaahh is about.Our approach is not compatible with merely 'impersonal intellectual information'. It is more about our personal issues, which we need to prioritize and address. At the very moment of any significant inquiry of ours we at least, have to have a hunch about our personal issues. For the most part, however, such dealings involve more than an intellectual exchange of question/answer transaction. Here it requires change of habit in thought, emotion, behaviour, or any other kind of entrenched habits we may need to handle. With my limited understanding of the Aaahh I'll do my best to address these questions.

Q & A

Q: Can you expand on what you have just said?
A: Try to ask relevant questions to your personal issues and life, which can help in your immediate needs, in communication and in your relationships.
Q: OK. I will. So tell us now, what is the Aaahh?
A: The syllable and the sound "Aaahh" is part of the Aaahh secular mantra described briefly in the 3 main practices. This is a very significant universal sound experienced during practice.

Q: The Aaahh sounds as a kind of technique. Am I right?
A: Yes. It is also a psychological approach to communication that requires of people to practice in a group to create a community cultural vibe.

Q: What is a vibe? What is a cultural vibe?
A: It is something like a magnetic field but cannot be measured in with scientific instruments. It is a feeling between you and me and us of a kind of understanding without the need of words. This is what we call a vibe or the Aaahh Implicit.
Q: What else can you tell me about this vibe?
A: OK, it is a vibe of honesty and transparency with oneself, friends and to an extent with everybody else.
Q: What do you need for this?
A: A level of commitment and perseverance and the feeling that we cannot do this by ourselves.
Q: And you think that all this can be achieved through practices and meditations?
A: Your commitment to practices, and then you can prove it to yourself and see that all this is experietial and scientific. You can then ask: ' What is all this about?' and you yourself can answer your own Squestion.

QA: You give a general description of the 3 main practices and you point to the specific personal issues an Aaahh member needs to address. Explain more.
A: Again, the Aaahh doesn't encourage us to wander off too far away from our very personal issues we need prioritise and tackle, and the need to apply detailed practices for each persons special requirements.

QB: Please give an example.
A: With language we can externalise, or divorce from what we need to address this very moment. This can take on many subtle forms. When we live too much in our head we can suppress or easily gloss over things.
QB: Ok, so what do you do?
A: In the Aaahh we need to have an instant access to the emotional tone underlying all our thinking and talking. We use some aspects of the Maba practice which can connect us immediately to our emotions and feelings. THIS WILL TAKE US TO A COMMON GROUND WHERE WE CAN FIND A COMMON LANGUAGE - A SPOKEN AND UNSPOKEN UNDERSTANDING OF THIS VERY MOMENT. WHAT RIPPLES CAN WE MAKE FROM THIS ENCOUNTER OF OURS ? (if this is our main intention and what do we want to get out from our meeting?...)

QA: I see, "our feelings" you said.
A: Yes, the feelings our mind has brought up at that moment whether we know them or not.
QA: Right-
A: When we become emotionally familiar with our thinking patterns, we can identify our intentions. If these are very unbalanced we can minimize or release them.
QA: How do you do this?
A: By letting go of them or minimizing them in a free and unstructured way,not using normal language but other ways of expression.

Q: Tell me, who do you think the Aaahh can benefit?
A: Generally speaking, the Aaahh would mostly help those of us who have a rather urgent need to give priority to their relationships, or those of us who feel that the essence of their life revolves around relationships and friendships.
Q: OK.
A: It's also suitable for those of us who have doubts about their mind and intellect being able to address deeper issues and finding meaning in their lives.

QA: Can you, in a few words, tell me what the Aaahh is about without using the words "community" or "meaningful communication"?
A: Yes, the Aaahh is the feeling of being connected - something that many of us miss.
Q: OK.
A: (Jokingly) The Aaahh is also about reducing "T.M.F.I., C I.U."

QB: Cryptic stuff, what is this?!
A: TOO MUCH FRAGMENTATION OF INFORMATION - CLUTTER.

Q: What do you mean?
A: What do you understand by FRAGMENTATION and CLUTTER?

QB: Too much information?
A: Too much emotionally or FRAGMENTING information.

Q: So what?
A: So what? What does clutter mean to you?
Q: What is wrong with enough information and knowledge? OK. Can you put it in other words?
A: Yes I can. It is about more consideration and respect for each other. When we have less intellectual or emotional clutter, we can pay more attention to each other, and respect each other more.

QB: Ahah.
A: After we've horded enough of this so called knowledge, some of us have a need to start to UNLEARN - to clean out the garbage, and then we can be more balanced, be more attentive to each other and to our relationships.

Q: Unlearn? Don't things take care of themselves?
A: Do they? The Aaahh thinks that we have to do our bit. Most people work to earn and make a living. Here, we also work on something else - our relationships. This requires a different kind of work - to unlearn things that block us from more meaningful communication and bonding.
QA: How?
A: Practices and meditation that create a different group culture.
Q: Right-
A: We establish new habits of thinking, feeling and actions. Our initial desire, commitment and 'will to do' or achieve something is important, but then comes the work.
Q: What work?
A: Learn to know ourselves, not merely intellectually but being able to do something about the practical details of our powerful blockages.
QB: How do you do this?
A: O.K, for example, the way I or you hand over an object to each other, right? How we say hello, how we come in or leave a physical space, and so on and on. These 'little things' mean something and are triggers and very important in communication as well in our interactions.
Do we hand over something respectfully or neurotically? See this book, give it to me.

QB: Ok, here you have it. So, what are you getting at?
A: How have you given it to me? Were you aware? Was it in a neurotic jittery manner or in a respectful and balanced way? How do we behave and interact when we are neurotic, or in an agitated mood?

Q: I don't get it.
A: Well, start practicing and then see for yourself if you get it or not. The Aaahh is experiential, scientific and verifiable. Put away terminology and words for some time, commit yourself to experimenting with the practices and meditations applied to your specific needs, and see for yourself if these do bring a change in or don't. These practices will generate a personal and group new culture.
Q: OK.
In a normal way, we start something and bring it to a finish, a conclusion, don't we? When most of the time things go unfinished, if we are jittery and over-strung, jumping from one thing to another, having too much clutter and being too casual and uncommitted, how do we then feel or relate? You gave me that book, more or less, mindfully. Now give it to me in frenzy.
Q: OK.
A: See the difference?
Q: Sort of… So, do you want everything to be in total order and perfect?
A: No, no, not rigid formalism. Only that too much mayhem and clutter, can drive us mad, can't it? We don't know where we emotionally stand. It's the other extreme of formalism or legalism. More or less - the middle way, this is what the Aaahh is about. For the sake of our health, we need to feel somewhat safe and know where we stand with each other and "walk the talk".

Q: Easier said than done, isn't it?
A:Yes.
QB: You mean what we do for each other?
A: Yes, more important psychologically in our relationships.
Q: So...
A: Well, let's begin with small things like, the tone of our voice when we talk, the way we look at someone, eye contact, our body language and so on. Does this make sense?

QA: Again, please show me.
A: Ok. (talks in a loud robotic voice then reverts to her/his normal voice. Coughs and makes throat noises) Can you tell the difference? We are talking here about more consideration and respect for each other, aren't we? Not "pie in the sky" but how these things affect children, our children, us.

Q: Yes, but-
A: If I look at you or make eye contact with you in this way, how will you react, how will a child react?
QB: Look man! What are you getting at? People are people! We are not angels. You seem to have all these ideals that are impossible for the ordinary humans.
A: For this do we need to be angels? Don't our children pick up and emulate what we do, and we want to educate them, don't we? What kind of role models are we the adults?

QA: Wait a minute-
A: This is a learning process and for most of us, it doesn't happen overnight. It's an education that can start from childhood. Generally, it's not a quickie and needs practice - both personally and in a group.

QB: Why in a group?!
A: Because in a group we create a culture, a vibe, a spirit. This is crucial for every society and community.

Q: Hard work...
A: A level of commitment - it can be easy. It can be contagious, we can pick it up from each other and then it's easy - a bit of good will and be open and honest with ourselves. In sharing, we bounce off and remind each other of the most vital things in our daily life and in life as a whole.

QB: So tell me now, what makes the Aaahh different from other groups?
A: The main difference is that the core of the Aaahh is COMMUNITY - the formation of community or group. This is central to our practices and meditations, and of the whole dynamic. In the Aaahh context and framework, Community = Spirituality.

QA: Again…but community-
A: Remember that community does not mean people living together on a block of land and sharing everything. Community can be anywhere where we share and interact. I don't know of any other group emphasizing this point to such an extent.

QB: Why-
A: Doesn't this, generally speaking, go against the grain of our western society and culture? The Aaahh is democratic, not strict and hierarchical. It is interactive, engaging, but this depends on your level of commitment to yourself and the group - your community.

Q: Have you got an idea what's going on in families out there? All the depression and mental illnesses, domestic violence, what happening in schools, and all the rest. You must be blind. Isn' t the family also a community?
QB: Don't worry, all this will change when the Social Democrats win the elections. Everything wil be different.
Q: A bottom up approach is probably more effective than a top down approach. Politics won't trickle down to personal and social issues.
A: Of course!

QA: You may be banging your head against a brick wall.
A: I like to see the botle half full. I'm a dreamer and maybe in this culture, the Aaahh is a dreamer's vision.

Q: Be realistic, why delude yourself? Do you know what Zeitgeist means? You have to wait. It's impossible to swim against this stream. People in this country won't go for such a change.
A: You never know, it may appeal to a few flipouts. Tell me, what would the world look like without some nutcases? The Aaahh has helped a crackpot like myself and maybe it can help a few more. (Exagerating wildly.) Then we can shout, hail that the fruitcakes are here! They are talking about pie in the sky, bonding and the sense of Community! Ladies and Gentlemen, the Aaahh crackpots, the crazies are here. They speak of a different culture.!!!! Excuse me Madam/Sir, would you like to join and become an experimental nut case? You don't need money, just be willing a little to lose your mind!

QB: Do you really want people to loose their mind?!
A: To let go to the extent they can. Loose only that mind that separates children from parents, wife from husband, sister from brother and us from our friends, as this affects so many of us.

Q: You're asking for too much, aren't you? Why don't you mind your own business?
A: Mind my own business?!
Q: You can only bring a horse to the river but you can't make him drink.
A: And this is just what the Aaahh is trying to do, bring the horse to the water.

QB: But you would like him also to drink, wouldn't you?
A: Only those who are very thirsty.

QA: They have a drink, and then they're happy.
A: Oh no, only then the "work" starts, the work to know ourselves. This is a very different kind of work.

Q: It's a big world out there. Keep drumming. You never know your luck; you right, you may find a few weirdos like yourself....
A: Look at this constant ongoing talk about the economy in a rich country like ours - "We need a bright future for our economy! We need to skill up our work force! Our education, this is what counts! Excuse Sir, what kind of education are you talking about? Sir, the Aaahh crazies are here talking about another kind of education. Communication and relationship education. Does this say anything to you, sir, to your private life?

QB: I don't understand why you're getting so worked up. You should mind your own business. But tell me, do I really have to belong to a group?
A: You will feel the utmost benefit from a group environment. On your own, the practices can help only to a point, but this is not comparable to being part of a group. They are your friends and community. This is vital for our physical, emotional and social health. How about we sing a little song? If one tries to define exactly, and only through intellectual means, what the Aaahh is about, it won't work. Can we leave this for a while, and have a bit of a sing along? (They sing a song.)

Q: Would you say that the Aaahh is a spiritual approach to communication?
A: Yes.
Q: How?
A: It doesn't use dogma. The techniques and practices are to improve communication.

QA: Has the Aaahh been influenced by other spiritual traditions?
A: Yes, I would think so, by Eastern and Western traditions. Spirituality, according to the Aaahh, is people living harmoniously in community, where too much dysfunctional stress and tension cannot thrive.

Q: How do you define tension?
A: Look, do you want us to go into hairsplitting? I define tension like this and you like that and the big gap is right in front of us. We could be bonding whereas hairsplitting will split us up.

QA: Aahaa.
A: The Aaahh tries to avoid this and underlines the common in all of us. I have a nose, two eyes and two ears, two hands and so on. That your eyes, hands, feet are somewhat different from mine should not be an issue for us.

Q: What about that I'm a boy and she's a girl?
A: Can a boy come into this world without a girl also being there? Don't we all have a bit of each other in us? The Aaahh communication is more about our common humanity. The things we can share, especially in these days of living in a global village with the climate change imperative.

QB: OK.
A: This approach is not about hairsplitting definitions or intellectually dissecting the details. When someone gets a general indication of what the Aaahh is about and feels the need to explore this approach, the next step is to become part of a group, to interact with other members, suspend for a while the strong "mind trip" and see what the practices and meditations and the group culture reveal.

Q: When you say group culture, what do you mean?
A: The implied or implicit and subconscious understanding between people. Such an understanding does not need many doos and don'ts.
QA: What is that?
A: Do we need to discuss the details of what we do in the toilet, or the details of how we make love with our partner? These things take place, if we are not sick, in a natural way, subconsciously. These and other so-called 'insignificant small things' taking place between people, become part of us and form a culture or vibe between two or more people. Those of us who have become vulnerable and sensitive need to read the small print on food packages, because some ingredients are not good for us. However, up to a point, it's OK to ask information questions.

QB: Isn't it natural to know and find out more things by asking questions?
A: Yes, up to the point before we slip into "mind trips", intellectualisations and hairsplitting which our Big ego slips easily into. When this happens in the Aaahh, we go into another mode of communication, through practices and meditation, to help us deal with communication and with our relationships.

Q: You write that in the Aaahh you practice mindfulness and awareness. The Buddhist speak about this too. Any difference?
A: In the Aaahh we use all kinds of mindfulness meditations including those of the Buddhists too. But we also include a very different approach. We use a secular mantra that stands for 3 states of mind, the negative, neutral and the positive to which we learn to direct everything that comes at us. This mantra stands for our perceived, imaginative or actual realities. This steadfast background includes the Aaahh community which also contains the above 3 aspects.

QA: Too much head stuff for me.
A: When you begin to do the practice with the mantra, it will stop being head stuff. It will be simple to understand. However, it requires practice - work, and this may not be easy. This particularly kicks in when one has big problems with communication and in relationships. The mantra, as well, connects to the Maba and Imme practices.

QB: I see, now these other practices kick in. But, but I don't get it…. Anyway, what are the costs involved in attending a workshop?
A: All costs are by donation. Most things in the Aaahh run by donation.

Q: Can abuse of power happen in the Aaahh?
A: Abuse can happen anywhere.

QA :The Osharams, oh boy! I can see how they can abuse their role and powers, can't they?
A:This is why a daily vote is taken on them. When an Osha abuses their role, he or she is out the next day, and another Osha is in.

Q: Do they have to give up all their material things?
A:Quite a bit. Remember that nobody is forced to become an Osha or a helper. It's totally voluntary.

QB: I'm not at all comfortable with this gibberish.
A: I'm sure you'll not be the only one. It can be a shock and goes against the grain of many peoples ego system.

QA: Convince me that it can help me.
A: The Aaahh is not here to convince you or anybody else- saying "this is good for you" or "this is bad for you". Try out this, or any other Aaahh practice, by yourself and with friends and see what it does for you. Give it a good shot. The Aaahh is new and we are here to experiment with a new and unique communication. Certain things may not work for some. They can then try out something else. Where there is a will there is a way. This is just one technique, and if somebody is not comfortable they don't have to do it. We have other practices which may suit you better.

Q: I still want to understand how talking gibberish can help.
A: OK. I'll try to explain, but the effectiveness of my explanation depends on how much you may be open to it.

QB: What do you mean?
A: How much do you trust your mind?

Q: Well, you mean what I think?
A: And say and do in your friendships.

QA: Do you mean how much I believe in myself?
A: How much you trust your mind.

QB: We all make mistakes some time, don't we?
A: Yes, but we're talking here more about our relationships with our spouse, children, parents, friends. On the whole, how we relate. How do you feel about your relationships?

Q: Not too bad in comparison with others.
A: Are you happy or balanced, and what role does your mind play in all this?

QA: Look, I'm an ordinary human being.
A: What is it to be "ordinary" or "normal"? We're going around in circles. In one way, when our words and language cannot help a situation anymore, or a relationship, the Maba practice, in which we also may use gibberish, can be tremendously helpful. We can, in a general manner, release stuff without going into the details by having to analyze stuff too much.

QB: So you don't -
A: It goes through the rational walls and barriers we have put up, and the text we have attached to this, the vicious merry-go-round we find ourselves on. It is a most powerful tool to tackle an immediate situation, but many will be afraid and subconsciously resist this tool because it threatens their ego. It is a shock to the constructed and conditioned image they have created for themselves, or that image others may have of them. Gibberish deconstructs and takes us away from everything we know intellectually, only in our head.

Q: OK.
A: We have a lot of clutter in our head, which we call "information" or "knowledge" that we keep repeating on-and-on. This is one way in which gibberish can be very helpful.

QA: Any other way?
A: After we go through the apparent meaningless gibberish, combined with other of our behavioral expressions, we come to a stage where we can easily peel off layers and stand psychologically "naked" before each other. Then we can measure up each other, and our group culture serving as our reference point, better. For some of us, this can be an experience for which we have been waiting, all our life.

Q: Interesting.
A: Another aspect of gibberish is that, at times, life can seem without meaning and often we talk and say things that are meaningless or that make very little sense - empty or loaded talk, isn't it?

QB: Yes.
A: Instead of filling up that meaninglessness with words, some may find it more suitable to fill up the emptiness with words that, again, apparently don't make sense, that is, gibberish nonsense. Many times, this gibberish can make a lot of sense when we are familiar with the language of our subconscious undercurrents, and wish to come out or minimize this meaninglessness or let go of the complexities in our life.

Q: How?
A: Can we understand without words?

QA: What do you mean?
A: What is understanding?

QB: It's to know something.
A: Make sense or meaning?

Q: Yes.
A: Does knowing or understanding come only through our head and brains?

QA: Im not into philosophy.
A: Talking gibberish can be a very good way to negotiate with other members blockages and our group serves as the ultimate arbiter by negotiating these in front of the group. The vibe or culture and maybe a committee of in the group are the ultimate judge in issues that need to be resolved.

QB: I can't understand how.
A: By not putting a label and becoming too fixed on our blockages.

Q: But isn't it important to know what our hang-ups are?
A: Yes, In the beginning yes. Members can do this. Talk and analyze stuff, but after that, it can easily become a regurgitating and an 'indulging in our shit' exercise, can't it?

QA: Some may need this.
A: Sure. Let them do this without becoming rooted into the ground and for a while standing aside from the normal run of the group.

Q: I have to think about this.
A: Again, when we become familiar with the language of our subconscious, we realize how much our body language can express meaning without using ordinary words, and what significance this can have in our communications.

QB: I can understand this a little but with gibberish and the osharams, I feel, you can drive people mad.
A: Gibberish expression and talk can be very useful to those of us who feel a big gap between their feelings and intellect. Can't this state of normality with all our personal and social problems we have, can't all this be seen as madness? Yes, in the Aaahh we believe that " like can cure like". The same thing that makes us sick, will also cure us when we know, with suitable cautiousness how to handle this process.

QA: What is this micro psychology you mentioned, another jargon?
A: Well, do you know what psychology is?

QB: Things to do with the workings of our mind, emotions and all that stuff?
A: Yes, and the Aaahh micro psychology also pays attention to the small "insignificant" things, to the "nitty-gritty's" of our behavior, interactions and communication. Makes sense?

Q: Sort of..
A: So after all these questions what do you think of the Aaahh?
Q: This communication is about driving people mad! With this gibberish and expressing yourself in non-verbal ways. It's utter onsense!
A: OK.
Q: Too demanding and asking too much. What is this micro psychology, this implicit, the subconscious and all the other jargon? Who do you think you are and are talking to? We are simple people. We have to make a quid to keep on going. You are some weird idealist with all these weird ideas of your and your gibberish. What a joke! Come off it man! Come to your senses. Instead of this hard to understand communication of yours, why don't you do something about the climate
change? If this goes on we soon are down the gurgler anyway.
A: The Aaahh with its role models and as a whole is oriented towards this, but first as a group we need to get our act together. First we need to find the common language of Community. Now you tell me, aren't friendships and relationships, or life itself, also demanding, asking something of us and putting us on our toes, many times?
Q: Yes but if they become too much I just walk away. Do you think it's fair what you're doing? Asking people to get out of their own shit and to experiment with shit they don't know, and don't want to know? Be honest man! Don't play this game with us, and don't give us this community communication shit mate! You are a stirrer, and only want to stir us up, and force this shit on us! We are OK, and more than happy in this country of ours, and we are mighty proud of it! Come to your senses man!
A: We can't easily walk away from ourselves, can we? Don't talk to me about people. The Aaahh is for some who can relate to what this approach offers. They can try it out if they so wish. Isn't this the kind of democracy we have?
Q: I don't know....
A: Well, well. We can bring the horse to the river but can't make it drink, isn't it?
Q: I suppose so...
A: So we let the horse drink when he needs to, OK? Shall we have another song?
QB: OK. may be this time, a little dance, too?
A: What we are doing is not the normal run of the mill, is it?
Q: So many things on the spiritual market. Is there a need for another one?
A: There are already so many children in the world. Do we need any more?
Q: I don't know.
A: Me neither! Anyway, this interaction between you and me has taken place, according to the Aaahh, mostly on the impersonal information level. Such exchanges do not happen in the Aaahh framework where members know each other personally. Such formal questions and answers will be colored by feeling/knowing each other. Members will feel/know where psychologically they are coming from and the whole exchange will not happen in this Q & A formal manner, but in a different way.
Q: I do not understand what you are saying; it's obscure stuff for me.
A: Let's leave it for a while, OK?

A case study.

Mary and John Hamden have been married for 15 years. They have two children, Charlie is 14 and Rosie is 12. Both parents are university graduates and have well-paid jobs. They’ve paid-off their mortgage and their combined salaries afford them a very comfortable lifestyle.

For reasons they cannot quite understand, they have lost interest in each other. They started sleeping in separate beds, and now they sleep in separate rooms. No arguments now. The children have picked all this up and started to do their own things too. Charlie is focusing less on his schooling and more on computer games. Rosie spends more time with her girl-friends and isn't doing so well at school. Relatives on both sides have tried to help, but without much success.

Similar issues have arisen in the families of the few friends they still keep in touch with.

Mary socialises now more with her lady-friends and often is not at home in the evenings. They've stopped having a daily meal together. John has always used a computer and has broadband in his office, but now he also has a computer in his room and spends many evenings on the Internet.

John and Mary have even been to family counsellors and even to a psychologist. For a while, these appeared to have helped, but then things returned to the same issue – emptiness, separation and no improvement.

John and Mary don’t want to split up, but they don’t know what to do.

Now, let’s assume that they show interest in the Aaahh communication approach.

Here are some initial steps of how the Aaahh could help them:

· The first question would be: are they willing to expose themselves before other people, the group?

· Obviously they have talked about and analysed their predicament by themselves and with others and went through a lot of intellectual stuff. However, if they prefer, they can again repeat their story in front of the community (group) and members are free to question them. A helper or facilitator leads such a discussion.

This is a new, stable, ongoing, social environment for them and that can make quite a difference.

The situation that this family finds itself in hasn’t suddenly come up "out of the blue". Issues have slowly built up. It will take time to iron-out things, and this will involve experimention with practices and meditations to find out what works best for them to get their act a bit more together..

They can try:

a) The Maba practice, which helps to loosen things up and release blockages.

b) To create a routine where both parents sit together in quiet meditation.

c) Sharing a meal together at least once a day, again.

d) Singing together, if they like singing. This will bring in a different vibe and can help a lot.

e) Playing games together.

d) Encouraging the parents to share a room again and help get rid of John's computer.

e) Interacting with the Osha (see the Osharam) can also loosen up things and help release stuff.

f) As a family unit, interacting on a steady basis with members of the group.This forms part of the Aaahh framework.

These are just a few preliminary steps to first ease the situation and keep them together as a family unit.

The counsellors and psychologists might have suggested to this couple similar things to the above proposed actions to take . However, what they could not do for the Hamden family was to provide them with a stable suportive ongoing social framework. This social base, especially in times of crisis, will be there for them. As well, they were not provided personal and communal tools to help them in their day to day communications and interactions. These vital instruments are lacking in many peoples lives and this creates problems.

More work with the Imme visualization, the Hama practice, and the Aaahh mantra might be adopted in due course by the Hamdens. They would choose the aspects of these practices that suit them best. These will focus on deeper aspects of their personalities, and the finer facets of their relationship as a family, as well in their interactions with other members of the group. In this approach, the individual, the family and the group (community) work together as one body, not in a regimented style, but in a flowing way, to create a different culture - a more balanced and just one. The Aaahh is but one, among many other approaches, attempting to do this. Anything that can help shift the present model, we think is good..